Saturday, September 19, 2015
HUMAN AND DINOSAUR COEXISTENCE:
Supposed Cambodian stegosaur
carving, artalien.net
Episode ten of season four on Ancient Aliens, on H2 channel, was named Aliens and Dinosaurs. This program proved the coexistence of
humans and dinosaurs by various lines of evidence. One was the stone carving at
Angkor that seems to portray a stegosaur. One was a dinosaur track site in
Texas that includes what they identified as a human footprint along with the
petrified dinosaur imprints. And finally, they dragged out the Ica Stones as
proof.
First - the Cambodian temple stegosaur is a decorative
carving of an animal in a rondelle on a temple at Angkor
"Young earth creationists Don Patton, Carl Baugh, and some
of their associates and followers have argued that a stone carving on the wall
of the Ta Prohm temple in Cambodia was based on a live Stegosaurus dinosaur
seen by the artist. There are problems with this interpretation, even aside
from extensive evidence that humans did not appear on earth until at least 60
million years after non-avian dinosaurs* went extinct. First, the image in
question differs in several significant ways from actual stegosaurs. Second,
the main evidence for the Stegosaurus interpretation consists of a row of lobes
along the back of the carving animal. Although superficially resembling the
bony back plates of stegosaurs, there are a number of alternate explanations,
including the possibility that they merely represent background vegetation or
decorative flourishes, similar to many others on and around other carvings on
the temple. The lobes may also represent exaggerated dorsal spines of a
chameleon or other lizard. When all features and factors are considered, the
carving is at least as compatible with a rhinoceros or chameleon as a
stegosaur. Moreover, even if it represents a stegosaur, the carving could have
been based on fossil remains rather than the artist seeing a live stegosaur." (Kuban 2014)
"Ta Prohm is the modern name for a temple at Angkor,
Cambodia. It was built in the late 1100's and early 1400's as a Buddhist
monastery. Originally called Rajavihara, it was among many other Buddhist and
Hindu temples produced by the Khmer civilization from the eighth through the
fourteenth century A.D. The temple was commissioned by self-proclaimed
"god-king" Jayavarman VII, one of the most renowned monarchs and
builders of the empire. Statues depicting him in Buddha-like poses are found
throughout the region. Ta Prohm was built in honor of his mother and dedicated
in 1186. The temple's stele records that it was home to more than 12,500
people, including 18 high priests and 615 dancers, with 80,000 thousands more
people in surrounding villages providing various services and supplies. Some
question whether these figures may involve some exaggeration, but clearly the
temple was an active and impressive complex." (Kuban 204)
The protagonists of the young
earth Creation theory argue that most of the carvings in these panels are
detailed enough to allow the viewer to identify exactly which animal is being
portrayed, and yes, many of them are that exact. But many others are not.
Indeed, it is the details that are argued on both sides because that is what
there is to analyze. What we see in the rondelle is an apparently four-legged
animal, with fairly thick legs, relatively large horns on top of the head, a
pointed tail, and a high-curved-back above which are a row of decorative petals
to fill the background of the rondelle. There are no spikes on the tail -
stegosaurus had large spikes on his tail. Stegosaurus did not have horns on his
head, and his head was relatively much smaller than in the carving. As to the
identification of the plates across his back upon which the whole
identification rests, many of the other decorative rondelles there (and dozens
can be found online) fill the background space with a range of petals as if the
creature is in front of a flower. I do not believe that these are meant to be
connected with the animal at all.
If we have to take seriously the
Creationist's arguments about anatomical correctness, then I need to hear them
give a logical explanation for the creature portrayed in the second rondelle
down from the so-called stegosaur. It portrays an ugly little naked humanoid
with a tail and legs like a goat. If the
one carving proves that humans and dinosaurs co-existed on 12th century Cambodia,
then this other carving seemingly proves that the ancient Greek god Pan was
there with both the humans and dinosaurs too. And do the Creationists really
want to get into explaining the pros and cons of that?
Second - As to the dinosaur track site in Texas including a
human footprint, that was bogus. It was easy to see that what they were
identifying as a human footprint was just a portion of a larger dinosaur track,
apparently a three-toed therapod track. I will refer you to Glenn Kuban's excellent
online analysis debunking this one (see reference listing below).
And third - the Ica stones. One of the so-called experts
that they had testifying to the importance of the Ica stones was so ignorant
that he kept calling them Inca stones. On April 25, 2915 I posted a column
titled DINOSAURS IN ROCK ART - PERU'S ICA STONES, in which I expressed my
reasoning why I believe them to be modern forgeries instead of ancient
artifacts. However, I should add that if they are not forgeries - if they
actually prove that humans and dinosaurs coexisted, the fact that they are
modern not ancient supposedly proves that humans and dinosaurs are still
coexisting somewhere, but that gets us way too far into cryptozoology, and is
not my field.
All in all, episode ten of season four of Ancient Aliens was
laughable, but unfortunately some people actually seem to believe this stuff.
Maybe we need the aliens after all, there still isn't enough intelligent life
on this planet.
Kuban, Glenn
2014 Man Tracks? A
Topical Summary of the Paluxy "Man Track" Controversy, http://paleo.cc/paluxy/mantrack.htm
2014 Stegosaur
Carving on a Cambodian Temple?, http://paleo.cc/paluxy/stegosaur-claim.htm
Dinosaurs in Ancient Cambodian Temple, http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-cambodia.htm
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